Help with a Yaoi manga

Non-con is not a kink it's just a shorten version of the word non-consensual (which is another way of saying rape). What you are talking about, where the character falls for the perpetrator, is called Stockholm Syndrome. So what i'm saying is that it doesn't make sense to ask people to tag things as non-con since it's means the same thing as rape, what would be more helpful is if they can tag it as Stockholm Syndrome. Also yes, that manga does contains rape.

What Kathy said. Also some people have a problem with the idea of the term non-con because it implies that there is two types of sex: consensual and non-consensual which as Kathy points out is rape. It is simply much clearer to tag it as rape than non-con since not everyone knows that term.

As far as I knew, warnings for rape and non-con mean the same thing. There is a sketchy gray area where the label dubcon indicates psychological coercion or blackmail.

But, if you're talking rape as a sort of sex-game role-playing kink, where all the participants are willing, but they are acting out a rape scene because it makes them hotter and hornier, then I wouldn't label it as rape, non-con or even dubcon. I would slap it with a kink label, though, just to warn off people who don't want anything other than fluff.

Yea, like I said before, at the end of the day it is still rape, whether it be non-con, dub-con, or rape. But what separates one type of rape from another rape is that in some fiction the protagonist was raped/sexual abused and goes through a healing process, it is more realistic, plus it has a message/meaning; whereas in the other rape fictions, it is meant more to arouse the reader. I guess you could say it is fetish(that is why I wrote down kink) for the reader and the victim and abuser live happily ever after. Therefore, it isn't meant to take serious, it is set in a tone of fantasy because the authors intentions is to arouse the reader.
Like you said, non-con, dub-con, and rape is a gray area and it is sometimes difficult to try define and what elements are consider for each one.
My friends and I are avid readers and have similar definitions for each one and we even searched online with other avid readers and come across somewhat the same, but like you said, it very gray. Some people have very specific details for each one. Do you think perhaps people should label it as rape fantasy?

I get what you're saying. Yes, there should be a separation between the two types of descriptors, because the difference in the type of depiction changes the experience of the story.

I think with most yaoi fantasy stories, rape is often a weird id-candy symbol for being sexually irresistible and provocative. The victim excites his attacker past his point of endurance, past his capacity to behave sanely. Or they live under conditions where sexual freedom simply does not exist, and so all expressions of sexuality must be carried out under a pretense of coercion. In these stories, rape is an inversion of sexual power and gratifies certain readers not because they approve of violation, but because ... well, there could be any number of reasons, none of which have anything to do with real rape at all. I do think it is a mistake to confuse the depictions of rape in yaoi with real rape, unless, they are, as you pointed out, an intentionally realistic portrayal of rape, in which case, there would be realistic consequences — awful, horrible consequences with physical damage and psychological trauma. I wonder if there is a way of tagging these realistic stories so that would-be readers could make the distinction and choose to read accordingly.
Warnings are good to have.

I also think that the label non-con wouldn't be suitable, because readers wouldn't understand that there is meant to be such a distinction.

I agree. There should a specific distinction between the two types of rapes so it can help fans know what they are about to read. I just wish they would put some sort of disclaimer, I was thinking perhaps "rape fantasy."
I just simply don't want mine and anyone else's time wasted.
Thank you for understanding and taking the time to answer my question :)

Hmm are you thinking you want the tags to say something like rape trope? Where basically the author uses rape as a way to get two characters together versus the 'evil' rape where the victim doesn't like it in the end?

Personally I don't see much of a difference, if you have sex without consent it equals rape to me. I still get annoyed at the usage of rape tropes, it's part of the reason we have such a screwed up rape culture as it is. Half the kids reading porn in their darkened rooms are being taught that forcing someone will make them fall in love with you, before most of them have even tried dating...sorry, my rant switch went off there...

Yep, what Kathy said!

@Tavi Yes, I'm saying that, and the fact that there is a discussion going on about this at all indicates that your lack of interest in any difference is not universally shared. In any case, it would be simple enough for you to avoid anything tagged or labeled with rape, rape trope, non-con, dub-con, rape fantasy, etc., etc., right? But for those who ARE interested in reading realistic story-centered manga about rape survivors and how they dealt/did not deal with it, but who AREN'T interested in rape-fantasy of any sort, an indicator would be helpful, right? I mean, I don't want to force you to read anything you don't like, and I'm a big believer in labeling stuff that triggers. I just like the labels to be clear.

" Half the kids reading porn in their darkened rooms are being taught that forcing someone will make them fall in love with you, before most of them have even tried dating..."

Sorry, but no. There is no substantive peer-reviewed documentation to support your argument, speaking as someone who has been professionally trained and works in this field. Yes, I think there are real problems with rape culture, but these kind of fantasies have a negligible impact, primarily because most people can tell the difference between make belief and realism. You will find that even feminists read manga with fantasy rape stories in them (because they are nothing like the real thing.)